June 13, 2009

I think that I am finally tired of hearing about David Letterman and Sarah Palin.  There are some quick housekeeping things to get out of the way right now, before we go any further on this topic.

1) Apologies.  How does someone know intent? How do you measure it?  Well, according to our favorite kooks on the blog, they have a device that measures whether your apology is sincere or not.  According to them, the apology is not sincere.

See, that is what you get when you make an apology that you didn’t need to make.  It was and still is a joke.  It was not in the best taste, but political figures are always up for lambasting.  The “Off-Limits” quote that Sarah and the others who feel outrage at this joke fees the need to throw around was directed AT THE OTHER CANDIDATES, not the media, and CERTAINLY NOT COMEDIANS.  That is the price you pay to be in the media spotlight.  Good thing that most of the haters feel this isn’t an apology, so we give him a pass.

2) Willow/Bristol Palin and “Rape” joke.  If you had not seen the Top 10 show (and I find that funny that so many people who express outrage are the same people who are claiming that they never watch him, or that they stopped decades ago, since he stopped being funny.  Really? Then who is watching him?  I mean he is finalizing another large contract extension and clearly, they wouldn’t sign him if nobody is watching?) then you would have thought that Letterman said that a group of baseball players should hold her down and forcibly rape her.

Here is a section of the Chicago Tribune that is asking for an apology.  Note that they state what Letterman said…

Until he does, the Alaska governor and her husband, Todd, have parental rights, even a duty, to press Letterman on the main point: that his jokes Tuesday night about the Palins’ visit to New York and Yankee Stadium — “There was one awkward moment during the seventh-inning stretch; her daughter was knocked up by [Yankee player] Alex Rodriguez” and “The hardest part of her trip was keeping [former New York Gov.] Eliot Spitzer away from her daughter” — were in terrible taste. (emphasis mine to highlight the joke(s) told)

So, the first part of the outrage is that he made a joke about AROD and one of the Palin daughters having ARODS baby.  I think that I missed the rape part of the joke right there.  See, that is a joke… Seriously, where can we insinuate that David Letterman is suggesting that AROD rape her daughter?  Wait for it… I dont think that you can.  Here is what the offended will say about it

But, it’s Willow Palin that he is talking about and she is 14!

First, before answering that, IF he is talking about Bristol, then case closed, you have no right to be offended or outraged, as she already has carnal knowledge, and like Levi stated, they sometimes didn’t practice safe sex and they had a kid.  She is 18, and that is an adult in every state.

That is getting knocked up.  Consensual sex without practicing safe sex, or the Ronin pull-out, can lead to having a child.  How can you get mad at that?  Where is the rape?  Where is the joke about rape?  That only leaves Willow as the possible “victim” of the “verbal rape” perpetrated by Dave Letterman.

So, let’s assume you don’t believe his statements about the joke.

Letterman, on Wednesday’s show, stepped up to the edge of an apology but did not get there. He defended himself by saying that he was joking about 18-year-old Bristol Palin, mother of a child out of wedlock, not 14-year-old Willow, the daughter who accompanied Sarah and Todd Palin to New York.

But he acknowledged that “I can’t really defend the joke. I agree: unpleasant, ugly.” And: “Do I regret having told them? Well, I think I probably do.”

Then why would you still call it rape?  Age is just a number right?  Where is all your outrage here?

In case you forgot, she is 15 and dude is 20...fight against that!

In case you forgot, she is 15 and dude is 20...fight against that!

But there is not any here, because it’s Hollyweird, and she is somewhat famous because of her skillset as an actor/singer, so it’s okay.  Condemn it in all areas…

But, back to Willow.  The best argument that they have is that for Willow to get knocked up, she would have to fall victim to “statutory rape.”  To actually figure that out, lets turn to Sandra Norman-Eady,  Christopher Reinhart and Peter Martino for some answers

Most states do not refer specifically to statutory rape; instead they use designations such as sexual assault and sexual abuse to identify prohibited activity. Regardless of the designation, these crimes are based on the premise that until a person reaches a certain age, he is legally incapable of consenting to sexual intercourse. Thus, instead of including force as a criminal element, theses crimes make it illegal for anyone to engage in sexual intercourse with anyone below a certain age, other than his spouse. The age of consent varies by state, with most states, including Connecticut, setting it at age 16. The age of consent in other states ranges from ages 14 to 18.

You might want to save your faux-outrage for women/men who are actually being violated and not just made fun of. For basic research, the authors continue to lay out what the law has in mind.

First-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13.

Second-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone age 16 or older to engage in sexual penetration with someone who is age 13, 14, or 15 and at least three years younger than the offender.

Fourth-degree sexual abuse of a minor for someone under age 16 to engage in sexual penetration with someone under age 13 and at least three years younger.

So, your best argument is that he made (allegedly) a joke that IF IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, would be considered a sexual assault.   Which is flimsy.  I found the end of the Chicago Trib article interesting, in that it made a point that rings true…

But instead of apologizing — and he didn’t Thursday, either — he labeled them two of many bad jokes told over the years for “cheap laughs.”

That’s no excuse for careless wording and thinking, especially when minors are involved. Calling any teenager in the public eye promiscuous is, indeed, ugly.

And while Palin trying to play the incident to political advantage, casting it as, yawn, Hollywood vs. America, isn’t exactly pretty, she has every right to press her advantage until Letterman says the magic words: I’m sorry. (emphasis mine)

Here is the HuffPo on the same subject

Letterman said so in a nine-minute chat with the audience on The Late Show the following night, reiterating that, whether the joke was dumb or even tasteless, it was Bristol he was talking about, and that she was eighteen and therefore a legal adult. He repeated, almost too much for me — I didn’t think he had to — that he would never make fun of a fourteen-year-old girl in a sexual context. And I think most sensible people believed him.

Focus on most sensible people. Fanatics trying to promote their causes  or trying to make amends for previous sexist comments are usually not sensible.  We get it My1/2IQ, you are sensitive and you have reformed your sinner ways.  Congrats for that.  But, you take your recently found pulpit too far. As for Sarah, quit trying to continue to ham for the camera.  Enough of you trying to make issues that can keep you in the limelight.  Yes, you are trying to position yourself for 2012.  You need to worry about your own party and get that house in order, before trying to “clean” Hollywood’s house.  The Huffington Post catches Sarah at her game and makes an apt comparison to Dan Quayle

The woman was a flash in the pan, invented by John McCain’s handlers to spark interest in his flagging campaign. With all the competent women he could have chosen, he picked a fly by night governor of one of our smallest states, who’d only served a year and a half and yet was expected to inspire confidence she might lead the free world.Okay, enough said. That’s the recap. The election’s over. However, there are still conservative — make that right wing — diehards who’d love Palin to bring about resurgence to the Republican Party. In their dreams they believe she should be president. And while some might remind me similar jokes were made about Ronald Reagan’s chances for the White House, at least he was a two-term governor of our largest state and before that had built a nationally prominent nice-guy reputation as a popular actor in movies and television.

Sarah Palin is a lightweight, desperate not to fade away, as happened to Dan Quayle, and he was actually an elected vice president. And with her audience generally limited to fringe groups, she recently seized upon some silly patter on a late night talk show, and with the Media’s help has turned it into a cause celebre.

EXACTLY!  Don’t fade away, just continue to govern your state.  Get some practical experience and run your race in 2012.  You hamming it up for the cameras and attempting to make a campaign issue is not going to work.  And the calls for Letterman to be fired?  Only in your dreams, where Hillary Clinton won the election.

Woman Voter, on June 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm Said:

Don’t know if you have this in any other threads, but I found a site called “Fire David Leterman”
Anthony | Homepage | 06.12.09 – 12:20 pm | #

I guess people are not all buying the ‘pretend’ statement that some are calling an apology.

I think that most sensible people bought it, since you really can’t measure intent, and I am glad that he didn’t apologize, just clarified what his statements were about.  What people forget is that Dave Letterman would have to know which daughter attended the game with her.  I think the “knocked up” part was lost on people trying to condemn him for joking about a serious issue in rape.  Too bad your straw man fell the fuck hell apart.  The HuffPo continues…

So, what’s the beef? Earlier this week, Letterman had a dumb joke about Palin in his top ten list: “Bought makeup at Bloomingdale’s to update her slutty flight attendant look.” I wasn’t offended. It just wasn’t that incredibly funny. What was intriguing was Palin didn’t take note of another joke, which had her involved with a kilo of crack.

Being a slut, not okay, slingling a kilo of crack GOOD TIMES!

So, why does the author of the HuffPo get it, but others can’t?

Palin sensed an opportunity and accused Letterman of promoting date rape of her fourteen-year-old daughter Willow. As it turned out, she was the daughter who attended the game with her parents, but there’s not a doubt in my mind that most of the viewers watching the show reacted to the joke with the vivid image of Palin’s older daughter Bristol, who had gotten “knocked up” by her high school sweetheart.

The author gives her two barrels (and the rest of the media) for pushing a meme that is a flat out lie.

Sarah Palin is simply a Media hog, hypocritical and ruthless as it gets. Was it a coincidence that it was only after the campaign ended that Levi Johnston was summarily banished, no longer needed and later decried by Palin and her husband for cashing in on the family name. As if they hadn’t used him as well?

Reprehensibly, the Media lapped all this up and went about it as if they were chasing an ambulance. Many replayed Palin’s accusations or interviewed her, and she repeated what was now a lie — because she knew better — that Letterman had somehow violated her daughter. And worse, many of the Media journalists didn’t follow up her comments with the fact that Letterman insisted he was talking about Bristol.

3) Hypocrisy

Here is what I continue to not get about groups like PUMAS. They sit and complain about things when it suits them, but they are not consistent about them.  My1/2IQ makes a rash of sexist statements, then apologizes for them and we are supposed to forget them.  Jon Favreau makes a gesture THAT IS INTERPRETED as he is groping Hillary Clinton at a party.  he makes an apology, the SOS accepts it, but he is forever known as a sexist in the eyes of PUMAS everywhere.  Why doesn’t it work both ways?  Convenience is the only answer.

She further described David Letterman as a “so-called” comedian, a description that might better be associated with her political future. She also referred to him as a 62-year-old to somehow make the comment appear smarmier, as if he were an old lecher flashing young girls at the local middle school.

Exactly.  Either words have power and can hurt ( classic hate speech rhetoric and theory) or they don’t.  Her use of his age was calculated to draw a highlight between the disparity in ages of her daughters and the comedian.  To make it seems like Letterman is the new Chester the Molester.

again, its a joke.  I dont see the outrage about Catholic priests and touching young kids...

again, its a joke. I dont see the outrage about Catholic priests and touching young kids...

This, too, was disgusting on her part, because it was ageist and uncalled for. Would the joke have been less offensive if Letterman were 35 or 40?

Then the biggest point of her hypocrisy is that she turned down his offer to appear on the show and discuss the comment.  This is the first time I have ever seen her turn down a chance to promote herself.  This site has video of her at the I Kill a Dog races with her husband, but the Tonight Show, with a bigger audience, she turned down.  Did she forget youtube and SNL?

She then refused his offer to have her come on his show saying that she didn’t want to help his ratings. This, from a woman who has been gallivanting around the broadcast Media with her false depiction of Letterman, an American treasure. A woman who appeared on Saturday Night Live last fall, a show in which Tina Fey frequently made Palin appear like an idiot, in a desperate attempt to appear cool and bolster the doomed campaign of her and her running mate.

Sarah, you want some coverage, Too Old will happily grant your desires…

Finally, with all this, here is comedy at its finest, no apologies needed.

4 Responses to “Sarah Palin PLEASE GIVE IT A REST! IT’S A JOKE!”

  1. Ronin Storm said

    Steve thanx for clearing all that Palin Letterman cat fight up. I too was confused with the “rape” reference? Kept trying to figure out where that came from. When it was clear Dave was talking about the older sloot.
    Anyway, best part was Chappelle. Comedy hasn’t aged a bit. And some good points about age discrimination when it involves race.
    Up coming post: The Oprah, Chappelle, Obama secret connection.

    • Steve said

      that is exactly what it is…a catfight. Palin wants more media attention and the GOP aint really feelin her either, so she is a politician without a party. She is going to roll this as long and hard as possible. PUMAS are already talking about how they turned from democratic to independent and they are going to vote for her.

      How did that work out for Hillary? That isn’t a shot at SOS Clinton, but more about the people who are talking about how powerful their voting bloc is…

  2. grammaticalchaos said

    how old is 15 really? is the funniest shit chappelle does…

  3. […] ago.  You tried to pimp Letterman for some extension time, but that didn’t really work.  It didn’t work, because it was a joke. Remember your boycott PUMAS?  That also didn’t seem to work out too well for ya.  Get some […]

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