GaryChapelHill, and the Confluence are full of shit on the Prop. 8 Debate

January 8, 2009

Lets get ready to welcome President Obama

Its funny that the Confluence, a PUMA oriented blog and Electric Blues, run by GaryChapelHill (funny enough, they use to cross post all the time, but Gary and Riverdaughter had a falling out and they don’t share the anti Obama kool-aid sippy cup anymore.) blame blacks for Prop 8 passing. The funny thing is as a bunch of brothas who blog, we all voted against it. We are of the mindset that if gays and lesbians want to make the biggest mistake of their lives and get married, that is totally up to them.

But, just like their candidate of choice Hillary Clinton lost, they take defeat really hard. For them, its about blaming someone for their loss and failing to look inward.

Well, the news is out that their scapegoat (Blacks in America) were not the cause that they wanted them to be. Even before Gary got to write his post, we answered his arguments in ours…

Black support for Prop. 8 called exaggeration

John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer

Wednesday, January 7, 2009

Reports of overwhelming African American support for Proposition 8’s ban on same-sex marriage were exaggerated in exit polls, a new look at the November election results has found.

“Party identification, age, religiosity and political view had much bigger effects than race, gender or having gay and lesbian family and friends,” said Patrick Egan of New York University, who wrote the report with Kenneth Sherrill of Hunter College of New York for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

Exit polls found that 70 percent of black voters backed Prop. 8 on Nov. 4, even as they overwhelmingly supported Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who opposed the same-sex marriage ban.

But an analysis of precinct-level voting data on Prop. 8 from Alameda, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco counties, which are home to nearly two-thirds of California’s black voters, suggested that African American support for Prop. 8 was more likely about 58 percent.

That support among blacks is still well above the 52 percent Prop. 8 received from all voters in the Nov. 4 election. Much of that can be attributed to the strong religious tradition in the black community, where 57 percent of African American voters attend church at least once a week, compared with 42 percent of Californians overall.

“The study debunks the myth that African Americans overwhelmingly and disproportionately supported Proposition 8,” Andrea Shorter, director of And Marriage for All, said in a statement. “But we clearly have work to do with, within and for African American communities, particularly the black church.”

Religious voters were among the leaders in the pro-Prop. 8 efforts, with 70 percent of weekly churchgoers backing the same-sex marriage ban. Among voters who hardly ever attended religious services, only 30 percent voted for Prop. 8.

“This is a wake-up call to the (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) community,” said Jaime Grant, director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute. “We must do a better job of organizing in the faith-based community, using LGBT people who are themselves part of that community.”

But Frank Schubert, political consultant for the Prop. 8 campaign, doesn’t believe that more outreach to minority communities or religious groups would have changed the election result.

“The problem is not that they didn’t reach out to those communities, but that those communities didn’t agree with them,” he said.

The report included a post-election survey done for Equality California by David Binder Research of San Francisco. That poll of 800 voters, with margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent, also showed that Republicans, conservatives and older voters made up a major chunk of Prop. 8’s support.

While only 30 percent of Democrats and 22 percent of liberal voters backed the same-sex marriage ban, more than 80 percent of Republicans and conservatives cast ballots in favor.

Two-thirds of voters 65 and older backed Prop. 8, compared with 45 percent of those 18 to 29.

Meanwhile, a report released this week by Marriage Equality USA, a nationwide grassroots group with chapters in 32 California counties, slammed the official campaign run against Prop. 8 and called for major changes in any new effort.

More than 3,000 people participated in an online survey and hundreds more came to community forums to air their dissatisfaction with the “No on 8” effort, which they called careful, tightly controlled – and losing.

Any future campaign for same-sex marriage has to make better use of supporters in the clergy, improve outreach to minority communities, feature LGBT couples in the advertising and push for support in more conservative parts of California, including the Central Valley, the report concluded.

“The lessons we learned were so painful,” said Molly McKay, a spokeswoman for the group. “But there’s no way to run any future campaign without a massive grassroots component to harness the tremendous passion in the state.”

E-mail John Wildermuth at

Here is the motto of PUMAS in a nutshell...find the biggest piece of shit and them pucker up!

Here is the motto of PUMAS in a nutshell...find the biggest piece of shit and them pucker up!

Like we told them before… Have facts to back your statements up.  I bet that Gary is is steaming that the truth is out there and he is WRONG again, like Hillary winning…I told him when Prop 8 passed that the movement needed to do a better job of doing outreach to the clergy.  The religious movement is powerful and is a force to be recognized.

Gary has his usual bitter rant ( I bet he is a hipster as well)

Thanks for the link. What a load of crap. The more they try to shove this bigoted homophobic apologist crap down our throats, the louder we have to keep shouting. If I read one more thing that blames gay people for not “reaching out” to bigoted African American religious nuts I’m going to scream. Why aren’t they saying the same thing about the Mormons? maybe if we had reached out to them more….what a bunch of BULLSHIT. If they want to be bigots, then they need to own it. What a bunch of cowards.

So, now factual, justified numbers are a load of shit now?  Its as if I read his post before he wrote it.  This was not my fight and I didn’t have a dog in it. (The worst part about it is that I support your individual cause and voted the way you wanted…)  If you wanted to win, you should have reached out to everyone, blacks, whites, Mormons, Catholics etc… For you to try to heap your failures on AA’s is disingenuous at best, and suicidal at worst.  Why would AA’s support you now in recall votes?  You have and continue to slander them in your posts.  You start out by calling out the homophobic bigoted religious nuts.  Silly me, but I think that is not going to give you the support you wanted. You can get over the bridge by reaching out, yet you continue to throw gasoline on the fire.

Damn, you should have asked Obama to use his hopey-changey wand to help put out the fire! Now look at you, stuck, stoned, and snuffed, in the words of Eminem, I just don't....

Why should hetro AA’s care about you and your problem?  The one thing that gave them faith and hope when your white ass wasn’t helping us prevent getting lynched and beat downs in NC was the CHURCH.  People change and that is the power of religion.  I still don’t believe in Mormonism, but at least since 76, Blacks could get to the higher levels of “Mormon Heaven”.  that is some improvement and it takes time.  Not all religions have it right, but some are making changes.  When you tear down something that gave people (even though I went to church until college, now I am agnostic and not a big backer of any organized religion) hope, and a belief in a brighter day, they are not going to give your position the time of day.

Hate breeds hate...

Hate breeds hate...

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